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		<title>By: shellshear</title>
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		<dc:creator>shellshear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re quite right!  It rather subverts the intent of the book and film to have people be too responsible for the deaths of the aliens: the underlying message must be that we are not the masters of Earth.  The hospital scenario is a fine one: it could be made clear that the arrival of the Martians have caused outbreaks of contageous diseases, as the masses of humanity run and mingle and die together, weakened as refugees by poor food and terror.  Everyone thinks the disease or plague was caused by the Martians, but it&#039;s revealed in the end that the link is not directly causal.  As such, it doesn&#039;t even (quite) have to be a hospital; rather, a road (or many roads, all around the world) choked with dying refugees would serve just as well.
Excellent suggestion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re quite right!  It rather subverts the intent of the book and film to have people be too responsible for the deaths of the aliens: the underlying message must be that we are not the masters of Earth.  The hospital scenario is a fine one: it could be made clear that the arrival of the Martians have caused outbreaks of contageous diseases, as the masses of humanity run and mingle and die together, weakened as refugees by poor food and terror.  Everyone thinks the disease or plague was caused by the Martians, but it&#8217;s revealed in the end that the link is not directly causal.  As such, it doesn&#8217;t even (quite) have to be a hospital; rather, a road (or many roads, all around the world) choked with dying refugees would serve just as well.<br />
Excellent suggestion!</p>
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		<title>By: Machadaynu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Machadaynu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 09:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting analysis, most of which I agree with. However I would repspectfully like to suggest a different ending.

For me, one of the key phrases in the whole book is &quot;...slain, after all man&#039;s devices had failed...&quot; The whole message of the book is that humanity is utterly, utterly defenceless in the face of the invaders. Therefore for humanity to be pro-active in any way in defeating the invaders, even if it is in using biological agents, runs counter to the spirit of the book. 

I accept that it is a very abrupt ending, particularly when audiences like their plots to be adeqauetly signposted and meticulously set up, but I believe that there may be suitable structure.

The invaders target hospitals as a source of food which will put up very little resistance. This sets up the fact that they are ingesting disease, as well as portraying them as merciless killers. For those who like their final act grand set pieces, the military have set up a &quot;last stand&quot; around a hospital, where the protagonists have found themselves. However...the humans LOSE, are over-run and the invaders start to feed on the patients. Maybe a final scene where an invader chases the protagonists on foot through the hospital, but starts to exhibit symptoms of infection, which is the clue-in that the invaders are being struck down by bacteria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting analysis, most of which I agree with. However I would repspectfully like to suggest a different ending.</p>
<p>For me, one of the key phrases in the whole book is &#8220;&#8230;slain, after all man&#8217;s devices had failed&#8230;&#8221; The whole message of the book is that humanity is utterly, utterly defenceless in the face of the invaders. Therefore for humanity to be pro-active in any way in defeating the invaders, even if it is in using biological agents, runs counter to the spirit of the book. </p>
<p>I accept that it is a very abrupt ending, particularly when audiences like their plots to be adeqauetly signposted and meticulously set up, but I believe that there may be suitable structure.</p>
<p>The invaders target hospitals as a source of food which will put up very little resistance. This sets up the fact that they are ingesting disease, as well as portraying them as merciless killers. For those who like their final act grand set pieces, the military have set up a &#8220;last stand&#8221; around a hospital, where the protagonists have found themselves. However&#8230;the humans LOSE, are over-run and the invaders start to feed on the patients. Maybe a final scene where an invader chases the protagonists on foot through the hospital, but starts to exhibit symptoms of infection, which is the clue-in that the invaders are being struck down by bacteria.</p>
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		<title>By: shellshear</title>
		<link>http://www.filmforensics.com/autopsy/2006/01/16/war-of-the-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-684</link>
		<dc:creator>shellshear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strangelander - I liked Vlogmid&#039;s response to the micro-organism complaint, but that one might be a little difficult to explain in this particular film, given that we don&#039;t get a chance to visit a high-tech lab capable of working out what happened.  Perhaps we are shown that the aliens *are* careful, that they wear suits when exposed, but that there&#039;s something else they don&#039;t foresee - this may be cheesy, but what if they didn&#039;t anticipate just how much things rust on Earth?  It needn&#039;t be as bad as the water thing in Signs, but perhaps their precautions are inadequate - the thin layer of rust-protectant on the war machines gets scratched, the war machines and environment suits rust enough that the martians are exposed to the bacteria and die.

I s&#039;pose that doesn&#039;t explain why the red weed dies off, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strangelander &#8211; I liked Vlogmid&#8217;s response to the micro-organism complaint, but that one might be a little difficult to explain in this particular film, given that we don&#8217;t get a chance to visit a high-tech lab capable of working out what happened.  Perhaps we are shown that the aliens *are* careful, that they wear suits when exposed, but that there&#8217;s something else they don&#8217;t foresee &#8211; this may be cheesy, but what if they didn&#8217;t anticipate just how much things rust on Earth?  It needn&#8217;t be as bad as the water thing in Signs, but perhaps their precautions are inadequate &#8211; the thin layer of rust-protectant on the war machines gets scratched, the war machines and environment suits rust enough that the martians are exposed to the bacteria and die.</p>
<p>I s&#8217;pose that doesn&#8217;t explain why the red weed dies off, though.</p>
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		<title>By: shellshear</title>
		<link>http://www.filmforensics.com/autopsy/2006/01/16/war-of-the-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-683</link>
		<dc:creator>shellshear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig - dammit, I&#039;ve never been much good at character development (either spotting it or writing it myself.)  I suppose the nearest we get to development for him is killing Tim Robbins, but we don&#039;t see much of how that changes him.  Is he haunted?  Does he consider how useless the death was, given that they were out of the house not long after killing him?  

Part of the problem is opportunity: Tom&#039;s character doesn&#039;t spend much time with anyone else, except his daughter.  There&#039;s very rarely even an opportunity for him to talk with anyone in a sustained way.  Interaction with other people (whether through dialogue or not) might have helped with that.  

It would have been a bit of a departure, but perhaps Tom is fundamentally more suspicious of people after killing Tim.  This could come to a head with him attacking someone else who (say) talked to his daughter, killing them too.  Then we would have the more traditional redemption structure to follow.

More relevently to your comment, I don&#039;t think he needs to actually suffer real loss to progress, though I wouldn&#039;t have objected if he had discovered his son really had been killed.  The fear of loss seemed to be almost as important, or perhaps the reluctance to let go.  Having Tom going through the feral stage and back up into humanity again might have worked against that.  He loses his car earlier; perhaps he steals one back later, kills some more people as mentioned earlier, and does whatever it takes to protect his daughter at the expense of everyone else.  Hell, although it&#039;d probably work to have him realise the Error of his Ways, it could even end with him heavily armed, advancing on the house, knowing that the aliens are dead but not even thinking about the aliens, and us not knowing just what he&#039;s going to do any more...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig &#8211; dammit, I&#8217;ve never been much good at character development (either spotting it or writing it myself.)  I suppose the nearest we get to development for him is killing Tim Robbins, but we don&#8217;t see much of how that changes him.  Is he haunted?  Does he consider how useless the death was, given that they were out of the house not long after killing him?  </p>
<p>Part of the problem is opportunity: Tom&#8217;s character doesn&#8217;t spend much time with anyone else, except his daughter.  There&#8217;s very rarely even an opportunity for him to talk with anyone in a sustained way.  Interaction with other people (whether through dialogue or not) might have helped with that.  </p>
<p>It would have been a bit of a departure, but perhaps Tom is fundamentally more suspicious of people after killing Tim.  This could come to a head with him attacking someone else who (say) talked to his daughter, killing them too.  Then we would have the more traditional redemption structure to follow.</p>
<p>More relevently to your comment, I don&#8217;t think he needs to actually suffer real loss to progress, though I wouldn&#8217;t have objected if he had discovered his son really had been killed.  The fear of loss seemed to be almost as important, or perhaps the reluctance to let go.  Having Tom going through the feral stage and back up into humanity again might have worked against that.  He loses his car earlier; perhaps he steals one back later, kills some more people as mentioned earlier, and does whatever it takes to protect his daughter at the expense of everyone else.  Hell, although it&#8217;d probably work to have him realise the Error of his Ways, it could even end with him heavily armed, advancing on the house, knowing that the aliens are dead but not even thinking about the aliens, and us not knowing just what he&#8217;s going to do any more&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Strangelander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Strangelander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 03:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bad:
If they can fly from Mars and plant ships thousands of years in the past, they darn well ought to know about sterilization of fluids and air.

If you&#039;re going to strangle Tim Robbins for that reason, you should do it waaaay earlier, before he&#039;s done all his hollering and banging around.

The son going over the hill scene is symbolic of Tom letting his son go to live his own life. Except it&#039;s not symbolic. They spell it all out in the dialogue and setup.

Good:
Morgan Freeman rocks.

The train and flotilla of corpses were truly eerie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bad:<br />
If they can fly from Mars and plant ships thousands of years in the past, they darn well ought to know about sterilization of fluids and air.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to strangle Tim Robbins for that reason, you should do it waaaay earlier, before he&#8217;s done all his hollering and banging around.</p>
<p>The son going over the hill scene is symbolic of Tom letting his son go to live his own life. Except it&#8217;s not symbolic. They spell it all out in the dialogue and setup.</p>
<p>Good:<br />
Morgan Freeman rocks.</p>
<p>The train and flotilla of corpses were truly eerie.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had very high hopes for this retelling of the War of The Worlds, even wondering what evocations of terrorist acts/minds could be attribiuted to the martians, or the &quot;fre&quot; humans.

Alas, the only such evocation was the photos and posters showing the &quot;Have you seen him?&quot; motif repeated over and over.

For the rest, it was simply the Tom Cruise Show re-re-re-dux.  For all that he is on film for such a short period of time the Tim Robbins chracterization is so much more vivid than any others.

Cruise&#039;s characterization is set in the first few minutes in the film with his bickering with his ex-wife and the engine block on the kitchen table.  ANd he doesn&#039;t grow beyond that point.  And for all his adventures, *he* never realizes a real loss -- his kids and family, at the end, are hale and healthy, and Cruise&#039;s character doesn&#039;t even learn from the attempt of sacrifice of his on-screen son, but the character is just as much an empty, unrealized shell as at the beginning of the film.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had very high hopes for this retelling of the War of The Worlds, even wondering what evocations of terrorist acts/minds could be attribiuted to the martians, or the &#8220;fre&#8221; humans.</p>
<p>Alas, the only such evocation was the photos and posters showing the &#8220;Have you seen him?&#8221; motif repeated over and over.</p>
<p>For the rest, it was simply the Tom Cruise Show re-re-re-dux.  For all that he is on film for such a short period of time the Tim Robbins chracterization is so much more vivid than any others.</p>
<p>Cruise&#8217;s characterization is set in the first few minutes in the film with his bickering with his ex-wife and the engine block on the kitchen table.  ANd he doesn&#8217;t grow beyond that point.  And for all his adventures, *he* never realizes a real loss &#8212; his kids and family, at the end, are hale and healthy, and Cruise&#8217;s character doesn&#8217;t even learn from the attempt of sacrifice of his on-screen son, but the character is just as much an empty, unrealized shell as at the beginning of the film.</p>
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		<title>By: shellshear</title>
		<link>http://www.filmforensics.com/autopsy/2006/01/16/war-of-the-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-660</link>
		<dc:creator>shellshear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vlogmid - I really like your comment!  That alternate reading didn&#039;t occur to me, and I&#039;m kicking myself because I&#039;ve thought of the nanomachine thing before myself, but as a way for humans to colonise other planets, rather than the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vlogmid &#8211; I really like your comment!  That alternate reading didn&#8217;t occur to me, and I&#8217;m kicking myself because I&#8217;ve thought of the nanomachine thing before myself, but as a way for humans to colonise other planets, rather than the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: shellshear</title>
		<link>http://www.filmforensics.com/autopsy/2006/01/16/war-of-the-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-659</link>
		<dc:creator>shellshear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, I think you&#039;ve metaphorically hit the nail on the top bit of the nail with a hammer.  What was deeply unsatisfying was that the film pretty much had a reset button at the end: everyone important is OK, and if you squint and don&#039;t look left or right, the world is roughly as it was before the invasion.  It might have been nice to see the beginnings of What Happens Next.  Would there have been riots?  Man&#039;s reversion to base instincts, such as we saw in the cellar, or the film Basic Instinct?  Or cooperation, people offering food and blankets and the use of undestroyed houses.  I can see why they didn&#039;t show any of that - the aliens had *only just* died - but a good grace note might have been a whole bunch of survivors in the ex-wives house - say, instead of meeting outside the house, he goes in, and there are dozens of people inside, huddled and waiting for their doom, not yet realising they are saved.  I guess my main problem with the end is that it was so clean.  Having the ex-wife being more affected by the chaos would have helped mitigate that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I think you&#8217;ve metaphorically hit the nail on the top bit of the nail with a hammer.  What was deeply unsatisfying was that the film pretty much had a reset button at the end: everyone important is OK, and if you squint and don&#8217;t look left or right, the world is roughly as it was before the invasion.  It might have been nice to see the beginnings of What Happens Next.  Would there have been riots?  Man&#8217;s reversion to base instincts, such as we saw in the cellar, or the film Basic Instinct?  Or cooperation, people offering food and blankets and the use of undestroyed houses.  I can see why they didn&#8217;t show any of that &#8211; the aliens had *only just* died &#8211; but a good grace note might have been a whole bunch of survivors in the ex-wives house &#8211; say, instead of meeting outside the house, he goes in, and there are dozens of people inside, huddled and waiting for their doom, not yet realising they are saved.  I guess my main problem with the end is that it was so clean.  Having the ex-wife being more affected by the chaos would have helped mitigate that.</p>
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		<title>By: Ember</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ember</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My biggest problem with this movie was the ending.  &quot;Oh, I almost died to deliver my daughter safely to her mother.....only to find their house compleatly unharmed, along with my son, who charged into a battle where trained US soldiers ALL DIED, but no, he&#039;s okay.  And then they hug their mother and ignore me.  I feel good.&quot;
...wtf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My biggest problem with this movie was the ending.  &#8220;Oh, I almost died to deliver my daughter safely to her mother&#8230;..only to find their house compleatly unharmed, along with my son, who charged into a battle where trained US soldiers ALL DIED, but no, he&#8217;s okay.  And then they hug their mother and ignore me.  I feel good.&#8221;<br />
&#8230;wtf.</p>
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		<title>By: winston</title>
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		<dc:creator>winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 05:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha ha ha. Great response Vlogmid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha ha. Great response Vlogmid.</p>
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