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	<title>Comments on: Spider-Man 3</title>
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		<title>By: winston</title>
		<link>http://www.filmforensics.com/autopsy/2007/07/07/80/#comment-15378</link>
		<dc:creator>winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 04:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the great comments rorshach.

As you say there must be a certain amount of liberties taken with the screen version of the story versus the comic book version. I too don't mind that things have changed or been adapted. I think what they've done stays true to the characters.

That said I also agree with you about the death of Eddie and the symbiote. And I'd extend this complaint to the deaths of Doc Oc and Sandman. So far the only death of a major villain that has been necessary to push this story along was Green Goblin's. The others not so. Of course it could be argued that Doc Oc's dies death fits as punishment for his hubris.



I doubt this Spider-Man franchise will spawn 20+ films like the James Bond franchise, so if more films are made there are still plenty of villains for Spider-Man to battle. But even so I think killing the character is the easy way out for the writers. It's so rare in modern day superhero movies for the villain to be captured. Or to have their plot foiled but return in a later installment. Hey writers, let the villains develop as characters just like the heroes do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the great comments rorshach.</p>
<p>As you say there must be a certain amount of liberties taken with the screen version of the story versus the comic book version. I too don&#8217;t mind that things have changed or been adapted. I think what they&#8217;ve done stays true to the characters.</p>
<p>That said I also agree with you about the death of Eddie and the symbiote. And I&#8217;d extend this complaint to the deaths of Doc Oc and Sandman. So far the only death of a major villain that has been necessary to push this story along was Green Goblin&#8217;s. The others not so. Of course it could be argued that Doc Oc&#8217;s dies death fits as punishment for his hubris.</p>
<p>I doubt this Spider-Man franchise will spawn 20+ films like the James Bond franchise, so if more films are made there are still plenty of villains for Spider-Man to battle. But even so I think killing the character is the easy way out for the writers. It&#8217;s so rare in modern day superhero movies for the villain to be captured. Or to have their plot foiled but return in a later installment. Hey writers, let the villains develop as characters just like the heroes do.</p>
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		<title>By: rorshach</title>
		<link>http://www.filmforensics.com/autopsy/2007/07/07/80/#comment-15300</link>
		<dc:creator>rorshach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 11:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a spidey fanatic for a couple of decades I thought the first two movies were pretty good. Sure alot of the details changed but I suppose there's no other way to account for countless comic book issues that explain plot development and compact it into a two and a half hours.

I agree with the review stated above and as an avid fan would've liked it done not more faithfully, as knowing the actual story is something that should be kept for the aficionados, but to give it a little more substance. 

Either way, witnessing Venom on the silverscreen was somewhat of a wet dream of mine and I rationalised that the symbiote appearing via a meteor rather than on an alien planet during the Secret Wars was excusable for the reasons stated above. Even the tie in with Eddie Brock was done well enough (although the subject of Brock's fraud was Sin Eater's confessions, not Spidey's faux pictures) as was Sandman's creation though his comic book counterpart didn't have the benevolence of his flesh incarnation. The one individual scene that really gave me the screaming heebie jeebies was the jazz club where he's getting snazzy with Gwen infront of MJ on stage. Ridiculous and unnecessary.

The Green Goblin has been Spidey's arch nemesis for a long time. In fact he was one of his original enemies and was well due the role of the first fillum's bad guy. Doc Ock was also portrayed well and, apart from the lack of a German accent, was portrayed accurately. Venom, while somewhat of a newcomer to Spidey's villain files (sure, 25 years isn't exactly new but considering how old spidey is...) he is a very formidable foe and has been a thorn in Spidey's side for a long time. Sure it was early days for Brock and the Symbiote's relationship and their newly cultivated hatred for Spidey but as time goes on Venom becomes one of Spidey's more dangerous part time allies. It would've been much better if they didn't destroy him within coo-ee of creating him in the film... he would've made a top notch ongoing role.

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a spidey fanatic for a couple of decades I thought the first two movies were pretty good. Sure alot of the details changed but I suppose there&#8217;s no other way to account for countless comic book issues that explain plot development and compact it into a two and a half hours.</p>
<p>I agree with the review stated above and as an avid fan would&#8217;ve liked it done not more faithfully, as knowing the actual story is something that should be kept for the aficionados, but to give it a little more substance. </p>
<p>Either way, witnessing Venom on the silverscreen was somewhat of a wet dream of mine and I rationalised that the symbiote appearing via a meteor rather than on an alien planet during the Secret Wars was excusable for the reasons stated above. Even the tie in with Eddie Brock was done well enough (although the subject of Brock&#8217;s fraud was Sin Eater&#8217;s confessions, not Spidey&#8217;s faux pictures) as was Sandman&#8217;s creation though his comic book counterpart didn&#8217;t have the benevolence of his flesh incarnation. The one individual scene that really gave me the screaming heebie jeebies was the jazz club where he&#8217;s getting snazzy with Gwen infront of MJ on stage. Ridiculous and unnecessary.</p>
<p>The Green Goblin has been Spidey&#8217;s arch nemesis for a long time. In fact he was one of his original enemies and was well due the role of the first fillum&#8217;s bad guy. Doc Ock was also portrayed well and, apart from the lack of a German accent, was portrayed accurately. Venom, while somewhat of a newcomer to Spidey&#8217;s villain files (sure, 25 years isn&#8217;t exactly new but considering how old spidey is&#8230;) he is a very formidable foe and has been a thorn in Spidey&#8217;s side for a long time. Sure it was early days for Brock and the Symbiote&#8217;s relationship and their newly cultivated hatred for Spidey but as time goes on Venom becomes one of Spidey&#8217;s more dangerous part time allies. It would&#8217;ve been much better if they didn&#8217;t destroy him within coo-ee of creating him in the film&#8230; he would&#8217;ve made a top notch ongoing role.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: winston</title>
		<link>http://www.filmforensics.com/autopsy/2007/07/07/80/#comment-14768</link>
		<dc:creator>winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree mr teufel. And I think he needed meat more in the previous films, too. But like I said I get the feeling the writers were never so interested in building his character up. He was always weak and whiney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree mr teufel. And I think he needed meat more in the previous films, too. But like I said I get the feeling the writers were never so interested in building his character up. He was always weak and whiney.</p>
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		<title>By: mr teufel</title>
		<link>http://www.filmforensics.com/autopsy/2007/07/07/80/#comment-14748</link>
		<dc:creator>mr teufel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool write-up. My only quibble is that for Goblin Jr to be a credible villian, he'd need an actor with presence and range.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool write-up. My only quibble is that for Goblin Jr to be a credible villian, he&#8217;d need an actor with presence and range.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Clam</title>
		<link>http://www.filmforensics.com/autopsy/2007/07/07/80/#comment-14101</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Clam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 03:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D'oh, here I thought 'I'm against Harry turning good at the end' was a spoiler for the new Harry Potter book! :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D&#8217;oh, here I thought &#8216;I&#8217;m against Harry turning good at the end&#8217; was a spoiler for the new Harry Potter book! <img src='http://www.filmforensics.com/autopsy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: winstoninabox</title>
		<link>http://www.filmforensics.com/autopsy/2007/07/07/80/#comment-14007</link>
		<dc:creator>winstoninabox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 07:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm against Harry turning good at the end. Especially since this film has the feeling of the end of a story arc (if not the end of the franchise of the movies) there's got to be a strong villain, and Harry has been set up since the first  movie in that role. I found his last minute turn around to be really weak and undercutting of his place in all three films. I felt that being treated as a second string character for the first two movies, number 3 would finally be his chance to shine (as the villain). Instead he did little for most of the movie, had a brief turn at being really bad, and then became good again. Bah and phooey. I wanna hiss his vile villainousness, but instead he continued to be a milksop.

I'd really liked to have had time to explore why he was bad. His father, the Goblin serum, envy of Peter... what? But I get the feeling the writers were never so interested in him, as anybody else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m against Harry turning good at the end. Especially since this film has the feeling of the end of a story arc (if not the end of the franchise of the movies) there&#8217;s got to be a strong villain, and Harry has been set up since the first  movie in that role. I found his last minute turn around to be really weak and undercutting of his place in all three films. I felt that being treated as a second string character for the first two movies, number 3 would finally be his chance to shine (as the villain). Instead he did little for most of the movie, had a brief turn at being really bad, and then became good again. Bah and phooey. I wanna hiss his vile villainousness, but instead he continued to be a milksop.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d really liked to have had time to explore why he was bad. His father, the Goblin serum, envy of Peter&#8230; what? But I get the feeling the writers were never so interested in him, as anybody else.</p>
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		<title>By: Lexifab</title>
		<link>http://www.filmforensics.com/autopsy/2007/07/07/80/#comment-13999</link>
		<dc:creator>Lexifab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 05:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tidy work, Winston. Spidey 3 was bloated and a bit lazy, and this does tighten things up. If I were doing the second draft I would want to have Harry finally discover the error of his ways and die on a positive note. 

Then again the malicious side of me wants to carry the manipulative bastard idea forward and have Harry admit with his dying breath that he knew Petey was inncocent of the death of his father all along and that it was all justr a complicated play for his hot girlfriend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tidy work, Winston. Spidey 3 was bloated and a bit lazy, and this does tighten things up. If I were doing the second draft I would want to have Harry finally discover the error of his ways and die on a positive note. </p>
<p>Then again the malicious side of me wants to carry the manipulative bastard idea forward and have Harry admit with his dying breath that he knew Petey was inncocent of the death of his father all along and that it was all justr a complicated play for his hot girlfriend.</p>
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		<title>By: winstoninabox</title>
		<link>http://www.filmforensics.com/autopsy/2007/07/07/80/#comment-13885</link>
		<dc:creator>winstoninabox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I'd love to avoid work by making some comments about "The God Delusion", but I've yet to finish reading it. Curse you slow reading speed and too much marking! [shakes fist at sky]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#8217;d love to avoid work by making some comments about &#8220;The God Delusion&#8221;, but I&#8217;ve yet to finish reading it. Curse you slow reading speed and too much marking! [shakes fist at sky]</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Clam</title>
		<link>http://www.filmforensics.com/autopsy/2007/07/07/80/#comment-13874</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Clam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 05:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curses, winston!  If I'd seen the movie, I'd make some lucid and thought-provoking comments now, because that's just the kind of work-avoiding mood I'm in. But I haven't,so it will have to wait :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curses, winston!  If I&#8217;d seen the movie, I&#8217;d make some lucid and thought-provoking comments now, because that&#8217;s just the kind of work-avoiding mood I&#8217;m in. But I haven&#8217;t,so it will have to wait <img src='http://www.filmforensics.com/autopsy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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