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		<title>By: Freemage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freemage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got here from Irregular Webcomic; your experiment was fascinating to watch (especially the "Natalie is his wife" theory that it generated).

Overall, I think we've been told the truth by the end of the film:

1: Lenny and his wife were attacked; he suffers a breakdown, and so kills his wife with insulin.  It's after this that he concocts the story of how his wife 'really' died, using repetition to hard-wire a new memory.

2: At some point, he turns this into a quest for revenge on his wife's killer.

3: Then he hooks up with Teddy (who investigated the original attack, and had some bits of info).  Teddy maybe/maybe not helps him track down the real John G., and they kill him. 

4: Lenny--who must cling ot his fabricated situation or be confronted by the truth that it was he who killed his wife, continues to surrender his own memories.  Teddy is both frustrated by this, and comes to realize that Lenny can be useful, a weapon against drug-dealing scumbags.

5: Lenny and Teddy investigate Jimmy; during this time, Jimmy hears the Sammy Jenkins story, which he also relays to his girlfriend, Natalie.

6: Natalie knows Jimmy is going off to meet Teddy and the 'memory guy'.  When he never returns (because Lenny kills him), she figures Lenny did it because she sees him in Jimmy's car.  As she learns more about the situation, she then decides to use him, first to get rid of Dodd (who wants money that Jimmy owed her), and then get revenge on Teddy himself.  Since this dovetailed with Lenny's own intentions (briefly conceived when he figured out the truth after killing Jimmy), things became pretty unstoppable.

The oddest bit in the movie is the way even those around him--the ones using Lenny's ailment for their own ends--don't fully believe in it or understand it.  Hence, Natalie's insistance that he will remember her after sleeping with her, and the way she gets put out that he doesn't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got here from Irregular Webcomic; your experiment was fascinating to watch (especially the &#8220;Natalie is his wife&#8221; theory that it generated).</p>
<p>Overall, I think we&#8217;ve been told the truth by the end of the film:</p>
<p>1: Lenny and his wife were attacked; he suffers a breakdown, and so kills his wife with insulin.  It&#8217;s after this that he concocts the story of how his wife &#8216;really&#8217; died, using repetition to hard-wire a new memory.</p>
<p>2: At some point, he turns this into a quest for revenge on his wife&#8217;s killer.</p>
<p>3: Then he hooks up with Teddy (who investigated the original attack, and had some bits of info).  Teddy maybe/maybe not helps him track down the real John G., and they kill him. </p>
<p>4: Lenny&#8211;who must cling ot his fabricated situation or be confronted by the truth that it was he who killed his wife, continues to surrender his own memories.  Teddy is both frustrated by this, and comes to realize that Lenny can be useful, a weapon against drug-dealing scumbags.</p>
<p>5: Lenny and Teddy investigate Jimmy; during this time, Jimmy hears the Sammy Jenkins story, which he also relays to his girlfriend, Natalie.</p>
<p>6: Natalie knows Jimmy is going off to meet Teddy and the &#8216;memory guy&#8217;.  When he never returns (because Lenny kills him), she figures Lenny did it because she sees him in Jimmy&#8217;s car.  As she learns more about the situation, she then decides to use him, first to get rid of Dodd (who wants money that Jimmy owed her), and then get revenge on Teddy himself.  Since this dovetailed with Lenny&#8217;s own intentions (briefly conceived when he figured out the truth after killing Jimmy), things became pretty unstoppable.</p>
<p>The oddest bit in the movie is the way even those around him&#8211;the ones using Lenny&#8217;s ailment for their own ends&#8211;don&#8217;t fully believe in it or understand it.  Hence, Natalie&#8217;s insistance that he will remember her after sleeping with her, and the way she gets put out that he doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an interesting experiment!  Thanks for posting it.  I think that few movies reward re-watching as much as Memento does.

Salon did a good piece dissecting Memento when it came out in 2001:
http://archive.salon.com/ent/movies/feature/2001/06/28/memento_analysis/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an interesting experiment!  Thanks for posting it.  I think that few movies reward re-watching as much as Memento does.</p>
<p>Salon did a good piece dissecting Memento when it came out in 2001:<br />
<a href="http://archive.salon.com/ent/movies/feature/2001/06/28/memento_analysis/" rel="nofollow">http://archive.salon.com/ent/movies/feature/2001/06/28/memento_analysis/</a></p>
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		<title>By: peteO</title>
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		<dc:creator>peteO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 06:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something to note: In the last scene with Sammy, after he's been committed to the home, a nurse passes between his face and the camera. In the split second between her exit from the frame and the cut to Leonard in the motel room, Sammy IS Lenny. It's definitely the final clue to Teddy's revelation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something to note: In the last scene with Sammy, after he&#8217;s been committed to the home, a nurse passes between his face and the camera. In the split second between her exit from the frame and the cut to Leonard in the motel room, Sammy IS Lenny. It&#8217;s definitely the final clue to Teddy&#8217;s revelation.</p>
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		<title>By: P.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>P.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 01:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After watching the movie, I walked away with the same understanding as Ben Finkel: It is unclear whether any of the people Lenny killed were guys who had attacked him and caused his injury. The story about Lenny really being Sammy-- and really killing his own wife-- was probably false. Lenny sets up Teddy to die so that Teddy will stop using him to kill people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After watching the movie, I walked away with the same understanding as Ben Finkel: It is unclear whether any of the people Lenny killed were guys who had attacked him and caused his injury. The story about Lenny really being Sammy&#8211; and really killing his own wife&#8211; was probably false. Lenny sets up Teddy to die so that Teddy will stop using him to kill people.</p>
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		<title>By: Newbietu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Newbietu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've watched this movie several times and it definitely counts as one of my favorites.
The horrific revelation to me was that every character you meet uses Lenny in some way:

Teddy uses him for money - During the scene where Jimmy is killed, Teddy mentions that he's been using Lenny to extort money from various John G.'s

The Hotel clerk uses him for more revenue - He rents Lenny two rooms.

Natalie uses Lenny to get rid of Dodd - By killing Jimmy, Lenny set Dodd on a path to try to get his money back (she says Jimmy went to meet someone named Teddy, who we learn later has been extorting money from drug dealers named John G. in order to keep Lenny away).  

Finally, Lenny uses himself to get revenge on the man who was using him to kill others and profit from it - Teddy.

Final verdict - Teddy's death: Justice
Whether or not others he met deserve the same fate? Unanswered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve watched this movie several times and it definitely counts as one of my favorites.<br />
The horrific revelation to me was that every character you meet uses Lenny in some way:</p>
<p>Teddy uses him for money - During the scene where Jimmy is killed, Teddy mentions that he&#8217;s been using Lenny to extort money from various John G.&#8217;s</p>
<p>The Hotel clerk uses him for more revenue - He rents Lenny two rooms.</p>
<p>Natalie uses Lenny to get rid of Dodd - By killing Jimmy, Lenny set Dodd on a path to try to get his money back (she says Jimmy went to meet someone named Teddy, who we learn later has been extorting money from drug dealers named John G. in order to keep Lenny away).  </p>
<p>Finally, Lenny uses himself to get revenge on the man who was using him to kill others and profit from it - Teddy.</p>
<p>Final verdict - Teddy&#8217;s death: Justice<br />
Whether or not others he met deserve the same fate? Unanswered.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Finkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Finkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teddy's death is not a tragedy because Teddy continues to use Lenny as a weapon against whomever - all the Jimmy G's of the world he feels would be better off gone. Lenny kills him not to satisfy his lust for revenge but to end the cycle, so that after Teddy is dead, he won't have to keep killing people innocent of the heinous crime of murder of his wife.

I personally think that Teddy was indeed lying at the end, that Lenny's wife was indeed murdered by some John G. they killed a year before. The insulin story seems to be a lie by the way he changes the story right after saying it. I think Natalie, Teddy, Lenny and Jimmie (all -y-ish names, hrm) all knew each other before the events of the film (save Natalie and Lenny to each other, as they meet for the first time in the film). Jimmie has heard the Sammy story before, and is trying to use it to buy his life from Lenny? That's what I thought.

Regardless, Teddy's death is no tragedy, but nor is it justice for the murder of Lenny's wife. It's the way to break the cycle of meaningless revenge on the innocent and to allow Lenny to move on with his life.

Ben</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teddy&#8217;s death is not a tragedy because Teddy continues to use Lenny as a weapon against whomever - all the Jimmy G&#8217;s of the world he feels would be better off gone. Lenny kills him not to satisfy his lust for revenge but to end the cycle, so that after Teddy is dead, he won&#8217;t have to keep killing people innocent of the heinous crime of murder of his wife.</p>
<p>I personally think that Teddy was indeed lying at the end, that Lenny&#8217;s wife was indeed murdered by some John G. they killed a year before. The insulin story seems to be a lie by the way he changes the story right after saying it. I think Natalie, Teddy, Lenny and Jimmie (all -y-ish names, hrm) all knew each other before the events of the film (save Natalie and Lenny to each other, as they meet for the first time in the film). Jimmie has heard the Sammy story before, and is trying to use it to buy his life from Lenny? That&#8217;s what I thought.</p>
<p>Regardless, Teddy&#8217;s death is no tragedy, but nor is it justice for the murder of Lenny&#8217;s wife. It&#8217;s the way to break the cycle of meaningless revenge on the innocent and to allow Lenny to move on with his life.</p>
<p>Ben</p>
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		<title>By: Grigor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grigor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent and thought-provoking write-up!  I've never watched the film in chronological order, but now I think I'll have to.

I've always assumed that Teddy's entire involvement with Lenny was to use him as an assassin to take out a series of criminal "John G's" who had escaped prosecution by some means.  Maybe a chronological viewing will shake that assumption: I always thought Teddy was sleazy, but he might be considerably more sinister than I realized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent and thought-provoking write-up!  I&#8217;ve never watched the film in chronological order, but now I think I&#8217;ll have to.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always assumed that Teddy&#8217;s entire involvement with Lenny was to use him as an assassin to take out a series of criminal &#8220;John G&#8217;s&#8221; who had escaped prosecution by some means.  Maybe a chronological viewing will shake that assumption: I always thought Teddy was sleazy, but he might be considerably more sinister than I realized.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to do this when I heard of the film, but then one of my friends told me how it ended (or began? I'm not sure) before I got a chance to see it. I'm glad someone did do it, and especially glad that that someone can write as interestingly as David Morgan-Mar can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to do this when I heard of the film, but then one of my friends told me how it ended (or began? I&#8217;m not sure) before I got a chance to see it. I&#8217;m glad someone did do it, and especially glad that that someone can write as interestingly as David Morgan-Mar can.</p>
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		<title>By: winstoninabox</title>
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		<dc:creator>winstoninabox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you still enjoyed the film the second time.
If only every movie could be as rewarding as "Memento".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you still enjoyed the film the second time.<br />
If only every movie could be as rewarding as &#8220;Memento&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: mr teufel</title>
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		<dc:creator>mr teufel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 08:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating experiment with one of my favourite films. Even though Lenny likely killed his wife due to his memory loss, I think Teddy might have been one of the original attackers who caused the injuries in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating experiment with one of my favourite films. Even though Lenny likely killed his wife due to his memory loss, I think Teddy might have been one of the original attackers who caused the injuries in the first place.</p>
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